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EZlabor

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« on: February 19, 2019, 10:45:53 PM »
Hello,

 I have an interesting issue. A family was provided a superbill for RTC level of care to BCBS of AZ for member reimbursement. It is Out of Network care and was denied at intake because they required 24hr nursing which was not at the facility at that time. Due to the 24hr nursing, I did not bill or do UR for this case.
Now, the superbill was denied and the family hired these healthcare billing specialists. They are now demanding that I provide them with UBO4 claims for this client. I explained that I would submit them directly to the carrier as a courtesy for the family/ my client but I will not provide claim forms to this third party advocacy ( who you think could fill out a claim form ). The advocacy firm woman is not happy. I asked if she has ever done any billing and her reply was, no she has not. She doesn't understand why I am submitting this to the carrier, as a courtesy and I won't provide her copies of the claim since I "just simply have to put the superbill info on the UB form"
 Am I being difficult or how would you handle this so the family can get paid and I can not deal with these incompetent advocacy people. My concern is that not knowing anything about claims, but she claims to be an "appeal and denial specialist" that she is unable to speak to the claim denials for 24hr nursing and no prior authorization. She is simply doing what they are telling her based on what they understand of the situation.
My question- What Would You Do? :)  AND still keep your client happy.

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2019, 02:32:29 AM »
The patient does have a right to the information needed to do their own appeal. I've done many appeals for myself where the provider failed miserably..but the point is that as patient I have right to anything you send in for billing.. so I would provide the patient with the information.

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2019, 09:26:25 AM »
I agree with Linda.  BUT I would get a signed statement from the patient to release the information.  (You may have already done that.)  The reason being, (in addition to them being entitled to it) is that if you don't provide it then she has an excuse as to why her appeal failed and can place the blame on you.  She may be obnoxious, but the client hired her.  Let the client find out she's obnoxious and doesn't understand billing but don't let them put the blame for the denial on you!  JMO
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2019, 03:49:55 PM »
Thank you both. I am just really annoyed since I am a 3rd party billing company for the provider and they are for the family. I am supplying their hired third party with my billing for free but with liability. I don't understand how I am required to give anyone anything. The issue is that this will then be submitted and fail, but I am not tracking these claims. The appeal woman will not understand why they failed and it will come back to me again.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2019, 05:46:19 PM »
A signed consent is ok, but actually you should provide to the patient NOT them this way you are really covering your own butt.
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2019, 05:46:19 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2019, 06:07:40 PM »
I would make sure I explain to the patient that you are providing her with the form but that the person she hired is not understanding why the claim denied.  I would say that you hope that she is able to get the claim paid for them, but that she is not listening to why the claim was denied.
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2019, 08:35:54 PM »
That sounds fair and I GREATLY appreciate your input. It makes sense to just cut those healthcare advocacy people out. This "appeals and denials expert" is really sad. Poor family is paying her a portion or who knows what ..when she isn't qualified. Thank you again!

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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2019, 10:05:47 AM »
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That sounds fair and I GREATLY appreciate your input. It makes sense to just cut those healthcare advocacy people out. This "appeals and denials expert" is really sad. Poor family is paying her a portion or who knows what ..when she isn't qualified. Thank you again!

I have to strongly disagree. It could be quite the opposite if this case is ERISA.

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claim denials for 24hr nursing and no prior authorization

Using ERISA if applicable I could do an appeal an get these claims paid, prior auth or not. <g>
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2019, 01:14:38 AM »
thank you. Their advocate does not know how to even simply fill out a claim but also state they are claim experts. I doubt erisa knowledge can help them....

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2019, 01:14:38 AM »