I'm sorry Nick, but I'm confused. If the provider is out of network then aren't they charging the patient their full fee up front? Why are they concerned with the out of state rates? Is it just to get a feel for what the patient would be reimbursed? I'm still not sure if that information is available anywhere unless another provider from that state who is out of network is willing to share. It's kind of a long shot to hope they see this post, but maybe!